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Saturday, November 19, 2011
Who needs ID cards; call to add young to DNA database...whether they like it or not. Anyone remember SUS law?
Gary Pugh, who is due to become Acpo's spokesman on DNA, told the Observer that not enough of the "right people" were being sampled. Thirty years ago, anyone under the age of 25 who experienced the Orwellian actions of authority would have done something about it (at whatever degree). Will the same young folk express their feelings in the same way today?
Who needs ID cards; call to add young to DNA database...whether they like it or not. Anyone remember SUS law?
The UK is a nation of individuals with no central organisation to voice their objections.
30 years ago there were the trade unions who, rightly or wrongly, were the voice of the workers. They were decimated by Thatcher who viewed the Unions as a threat to her way of life. Since that time the people of this country have had no means of raising objections to any legislation passed by any party in power.
We have become an extremely divided and conquered nation. Until such time as an individual or group steps forward that the people are willing to follow we shall remain so. Until that time we will remain at the mercy of those who hold the reins of power.
Reply:No they won't because they've been drinking flouridated water all their lives, so they don't have the ability to fight back. The fight was destroyed by the flouride.
Anyone who still has the ability to resist needs to. Resist to the end.
Reply:Who needs ID cards:
Everyone should have one it would save the police a lot of time.
DNA database:
Why not have you something to hide, it would offer a level of protection not yet seen anywhere.
Reply:This is BS.
All that needs to be said.
You want to prove my guilt, investigate me, not put my dna in a slot machine.
Reply:This world is as much mine as anyone else's and it is my life.
If I choose to have an ID Card or my DNA taken, then I will.
But as I don't and do not agree with it, then I won't.
I am sick of big brother telling me what to do, especially when I know he is wrong.
The name 'Adolf Hitler' comes to mind, ...and 'Nazi regime' when I hear politicians taking away our rights, or forcing things upon us, ...and I am obviously not alone with these thoughts.
They will be tattooing bar codes on our arms next or, even worse, ...planting micro chips in our babies heads when they are born, ...with an explosive charge, so that, when they are older, they can get rid of them if they don't pay their Community Charge or, if you are reaching retirement age, ...they could blow your head off and then keep your pension money so that they can buy another mansion or gas guzzler Lexus or Jaguar for themselves.
Good Question, ...but what is the true answer?
Reply:Thatcher's children? They won't do anything! Greed and selfishness are considered virtues now, it's ***** everyone else.
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Who needs ID cards; call to add young to DNA database...whether they like it or not. Anyone remember SUS law?
The UK is a nation of individuals with no central organisation to voice their objections.
30 years ago there were the trade unions who, rightly or wrongly, were the voice of the workers. They were decimated by Thatcher who viewed the Unions as a threat to her way of life. Since that time the people of this country have had no means of raising objections to any legislation passed by any party in power.
We have become an extremely divided and conquered nation. Until such time as an individual or group steps forward that the people are willing to follow we shall remain so. Until that time we will remain at the mercy of those who hold the reins of power.
Reply:No they won't because they've been drinking flouridated water all their lives, so they don't have the ability to fight back. The fight was destroyed by the flouride.
Anyone who still has the ability to resist needs to. Resist to the end.
Reply:Who needs ID cards:
Everyone should have one it would save the police a lot of time.
DNA database:
Why not have you something to hide, it would offer a level of protection not yet seen anywhere.
Reply:This is BS.
All that needs to be said.
You want to prove my guilt, investigate me, not put my dna in a slot machine.
Reply:This world is as much mine as anyone else's and it is my life.
If I choose to have an ID Card or my DNA taken, then I will.
But as I don't and do not agree with it, then I won't.
I am sick of big brother telling me what to do, especially when I know he is wrong.
The name 'Adolf Hitler' comes to mind, ...and 'Nazi regime' when I hear politicians taking away our rights, or forcing things upon us, ...and I am obviously not alone with these thoughts.
They will be tattooing bar codes on our arms next or, even worse, ...planting micro chips in our babies heads when they are born, ...with an explosive charge, so that, when they are older, they can get rid of them if they don't pay their Community Charge or, if you are reaching retirement age, ...they could blow your head off and then keep your pension money so that they can buy another mansion or gas guzzler Lexus or Jaguar for themselves.
Good Question, ...but what is the true answer?
Reply:Thatcher's children? They won't do anything! Greed and selfishness are considered virtues now, it's ***** everyone else.
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Do you agree or disagree with the supposedly new ID cards?
The new ID cards they have been suggesting we carry or do you think another solution would be better? Say, like for the future the beginning of DNA testing from birth so this way people can be identified? (Although we need a solution at present)
Do you agree or disagree with the supposedly new ID cards?
The arguments put forward in favour of ID cards are largely a blind. There's little or no reason to believe that these would have a significant impact in fighting terrorism or dealing with illegal immigration and benefit fraud. I've been involved in this kind of area and there is no document that cannot be forged, given the will, money and technology. Terrorists and criminals running major fraud operations are the very people with the will and means to do this. And so they will. Sure ID cards might have an impact on, say, your more opportunist benefit fraud but to nothing like the extent necessary to justify such enormous expense. And don't for a moment believe that even the several billion pound cost presently projected won't rise to a still more astronomical number - this invariably happens with government IT contracts.
So ID cards will be hugely expensive and of marginal value in fighting serious organised crime. Exactly what does justify the cost ? It's all speculation really but best bet is probably a national database, storing large amounts of data for each of us. Does sound very 'big brother' I know but then we've now reached the point where chips in bins to check we're disposing of rubbish correctly are becoming a reality - bets are off, I'd say.
The interesting thing about a national database is what would be included ? Name, address, date of birth, place of birth, blood group, driver or not - maybe. But how about criminal record, relationship history, medical history, sexual orientation, employment, income ? How about more commercial information, useful to the private sector. If that sounds ridiculous just think about the ever growing amount of private sector involvement in the public services - cleaning hospitals badly, running prisons for profit. This might be alarmist and wrong but, think about it, what else justifies the cost ?
Reply:It is none of the government's business what I do, what I think, what I eat, drink, where I go, who I meet, what I think about them and anything else. HANDS OFF ME.
Reply:You can avoid the new ID card by simply buying a UK passport. If you do this in 2007, you will not have to buy the ID card until 2017.
Reply:I like the new ID cards.
Reply:They will have to take my DNA sample by force.
I didn't like the retinal and fingerprint scans put on my driver's license as it it.
Big Brother and the Anti-Christ are in league with one another!
Best Wishes,
Sue
Reply:How do you know what the information collected is to be used for? In future how do you know that criminals won't be convicted by a computer alone matching the D.N.A found at a scene of crime (D.N.A evidence is not infallible). The absolute bottom line is that I will not have one of these cards. History shows that what you are told by a politician is only ever half the story of what is intended and while i have nothing to hide I do fear what the future holds in a country where the authorities hold data of what literally makes up you.
We need to remember that this is the digital age, if ID cards are going to solve all crime overnight and make the UK safe from terrrorists then I am the president of the U.S.A. Anthing that can be made or produced can be forged and at the end of the day what will stop a determined hacker from changing details of DNA online (the database would have to be online in some form or another to allow the various police forces and authorities to access it when required)
Why did we even bother fighting world war II when we have a government who has forgotten what freedom is.
Hitler would be proud.
Reply:I say you must have one if you arent British born.
Reply:I do not agree with having identity cards for Genuine UK citizens and its the Government that is making us have them due to the problems they have caused by letting so many illegal immigrants entering our country.
I think it is very wrong that we have to prove that we are British,instead,all those people who were not born in the UK should have to have them,and if they do not have one,they should be deported as soon as possible.
On the subject of DNA,I do agree that everyone should give a sample in order to set up a national data base,this will help with crime detection and.identification in cases of dead people found without I.D on them.
Reply:They are a Very good idea. If you are doing nothing wrong then you have nothing to fear.
Reply:i Agree. ID cards are great but with DNA i do not agree
Reply:I have still have mine from when I was a child.They were issued in the second World War and believe were renewed until the early years of the 1960's.So it is not new.What is new concerns what the cards can now have on them.I believe your name address,your position as a Uk Citizen,blood group if you wish it to be available and Religion if you wish it to be known.If the information is incorrect it should be a criminal offence with serious consequences.There should be no charge.
Reply:first it will be id cards then it will chips inside our body . we are all ready living in a police state cameras every place you go . why do you think the government subsidised phone company's so we can all have Mobil phones . once the phone was registered they can tell exactly where we are going and where we have been . i see in some of the answers people are not seeing the big picture they say if you do nothing wrong then you have nothing to fear . as citizens we are all powerless already against the will of the government we pay taxes and they waste our money we have to have charity events to keep children's wards at hospitals open we have thousands living in poverty .but they go and give our money to crazy dictators so they can buy weapons to kill and torture innocent people they lied to us and tricked us in to going to war and now our solders are dying every day what power do we have to stop them NOTHING at all . ID cars are just another way of control the population . everyday we loose more and more of our freedom soon you will not be able to criticise the government in anyway . just remember what happened to Dr Kelly he was just telling the truth . soon it will be us .
Reply:new id cards are OK they need to be secure we need competent people with integrity to issue oversee and scrutinize all new issued current
citizens will have to be verified along the way
and a database with finger print and retina verification for cards
Reply:ID cards are a huge invasion of privacy. To the people that say they have nothing to fear if you're doing nothing wrong, you're wrong about that. People, wake up. The World Government is getting closer. The naivete of the human race is astounding. Do a search on The Skull %26amp; Bones club at Yale University. It will open your eyes. And the idea of DNA testing from birth is horrible.
Reply:No. I disagree.
Reply:It assumes everyone is guilty until they can prove themselves innocent. If someone asks for my identification it basically means "I don't trust you enough not to lie about who you are". The whole thing is demeaning and beneath contempt.
Reply:well... I don't mind the idea overall... as long as they don't get too carried away with it...
I don't want a government that throws people in jail because they left their card at home... that's not what America was meant to be... that's exactly why America was created... to do something different than that...
Reply:Nooooooo: Big Brother coming true
Reply:The terrorist thing is being pushed here to make people afraid of each other. A theory has been put forth that the U.S. govt. is behind the 9/11 attacks.
What are the new ID cards supposed to do that your drivers license doesn't do?
Its all to help bring in the world government as soon as the Constitution can be dismantled and that is being done now.
Reply:This is another government smoke screen to further control the masses.
It is not the average guy in the street they should fear, but the reaction to thier political actions by those people affected or killed.
I am adamantly against the invasion of my privacy any further.
Who has or will obtain access to such information???
The goverment can't even keep their own secrets without leaks to the press.
We are becoming (or have become) a police state.
Reply:No I don't agree with them its not even tried and tested yet like any product they develop for the market, I think the problems that will arise with this are clear and easy, fraud, and it will cost alot and taxpayers won't want to pay for something that it is costing their wages more so why people want to spend more money, on something thats costing them more and more year round.
I think the only thing that the people want is to strive to have new ideas but its just another government advertising campaign to generate more of an income for the current government legislations and the provisions of providing electronic id isn't going to develop until the twenty 1st century.
Reply:I don't have a problem with it because I'm not up to bad stuff, we do need ID that is as hard as possible to forge or fake.
Do you agree or disagree with the supposedly new ID cards?
The arguments put forward in favour of ID cards are largely a blind. There's little or no reason to believe that these would have a significant impact in fighting terrorism or dealing with illegal immigration and benefit fraud. I've been involved in this kind of area and there is no document that cannot be forged, given the will, money and technology. Terrorists and criminals running major fraud operations are the very people with the will and means to do this. And so they will. Sure ID cards might have an impact on, say, your more opportunist benefit fraud but to nothing like the extent necessary to justify such enormous expense. And don't for a moment believe that even the several billion pound cost presently projected won't rise to a still more astronomical number - this invariably happens with government IT contracts.
So ID cards will be hugely expensive and of marginal value in fighting serious organised crime. Exactly what does justify the cost ? It's all speculation really but best bet is probably a national database, storing large amounts of data for each of us. Does sound very 'big brother' I know but then we've now reached the point where chips in bins to check we're disposing of rubbish correctly are becoming a reality - bets are off, I'd say.
The interesting thing about a national database is what would be included ? Name, address, date of birth, place of birth, blood group, driver or not - maybe. But how about criminal record, relationship history, medical history, sexual orientation, employment, income ? How about more commercial information, useful to the private sector. If that sounds ridiculous just think about the ever growing amount of private sector involvement in the public services - cleaning hospitals badly, running prisons for profit. This might be alarmist and wrong but, think about it, what else justifies the cost ?
Reply:It is none of the government's business what I do, what I think, what I eat, drink, where I go, who I meet, what I think about them and anything else. HANDS OFF ME.
Reply:You can avoid the new ID card by simply buying a UK passport. If you do this in 2007, you will not have to buy the ID card until 2017.
Reply:I like the new ID cards.
Reply:They will have to take my DNA sample by force.
I didn't like the retinal and fingerprint scans put on my driver's license as it it.
Big Brother and the Anti-Christ are in league with one another!
Best Wishes,
Sue
Reply:How do you know what the information collected is to be used for? In future how do you know that criminals won't be convicted by a computer alone matching the D.N.A found at a scene of crime (D.N.A evidence is not infallible). The absolute bottom line is that I will not have one of these cards. History shows that what you are told by a politician is only ever half the story of what is intended and while i have nothing to hide I do fear what the future holds in a country where the authorities hold data of what literally makes up you.
We need to remember that this is the digital age, if ID cards are going to solve all crime overnight and make the UK safe from terrrorists then I am the president of the U.S.A. Anthing that can be made or produced can be forged and at the end of the day what will stop a determined hacker from changing details of DNA online (the database would have to be online in some form or another to allow the various police forces and authorities to access it when required)
Why did we even bother fighting world war II when we have a government who has forgotten what freedom is.
Hitler would be proud.
Reply:I say you must have one if you arent British born.
Reply:I do not agree with having identity cards for Genuine UK citizens and its the Government that is making us have them due to the problems they have caused by letting so many illegal immigrants entering our country.
I think it is very wrong that we have to prove that we are British,instead,all those people who were not born in the UK should have to have them,and if they do not have one,they should be deported as soon as possible.
On the subject of DNA,I do agree that everyone should give a sample in order to set up a national data base,this will help with crime detection and.identification in cases of dead people found without I.D on them.
Reply:They are a Very good idea. If you are doing nothing wrong then you have nothing to fear.
Reply:i Agree. ID cards are great but with DNA i do not agree
Reply:I have still have mine from when I was a child.They were issued in the second World War and believe were renewed until the early years of the 1960's.So it is not new.What is new concerns what the cards can now have on them.I believe your name address,your position as a Uk Citizen,blood group if you wish it to be available and Religion if you wish it to be known.If the information is incorrect it should be a criminal offence with serious consequences.There should be no charge.
Reply:first it will be id cards then it will chips inside our body . we are all ready living in a police state cameras every place you go . why do you think the government subsidised phone company's so we can all have Mobil phones . once the phone was registered they can tell exactly where we are going and where we have been . i see in some of the answers people are not seeing the big picture they say if you do nothing wrong then you have nothing to fear . as citizens we are all powerless already against the will of the government we pay taxes and they waste our money we have to have charity events to keep children's wards at hospitals open we have thousands living in poverty .but they go and give our money to crazy dictators so they can buy weapons to kill and torture innocent people they lied to us and tricked us in to going to war and now our solders are dying every day what power do we have to stop them NOTHING at all . ID cars are just another way of control the population . everyday we loose more and more of our freedom soon you will not be able to criticise the government in anyway . just remember what happened to Dr Kelly he was just telling the truth . soon it will be us .
Reply:new id cards are OK they need to be secure we need competent people with integrity to issue oversee and scrutinize all new issued current
citizens will have to be verified along the way
and a database with finger print and retina verification for cards
Reply:ID cards are a huge invasion of privacy. To the people that say they have nothing to fear if you're doing nothing wrong, you're wrong about that. People, wake up. The World Government is getting closer. The naivete of the human race is astounding. Do a search on The Skull %26amp; Bones club at Yale University. It will open your eyes. And the idea of DNA testing from birth is horrible.
Reply:No. I disagree.
Reply:It assumes everyone is guilty until they can prove themselves innocent. If someone asks for my identification it basically means "I don't trust you enough not to lie about who you are". The whole thing is demeaning and beneath contempt.
Reply:well... I don't mind the idea overall... as long as they don't get too carried away with it...
I don't want a government that throws people in jail because they left their card at home... that's not what America was meant to be... that's exactly why America was created... to do something different than that...
Reply:Nooooooo: Big Brother coming true
Reply:The terrorist thing is being pushed here to make people afraid of each other. A theory has been put forth that the U.S. govt. is behind the 9/11 attacks.
What are the new ID cards supposed to do that your drivers license doesn't do?
Its all to help bring in the world government as soon as the Constitution can be dismantled and that is being done now.
Reply:This is another government smoke screen to further control the masses.
It is not the average guy in the street they should fear, but the reaction to thier political actions by those people affected or killed.
I am adamantly against the invasion of my privacy any further.
Who has or will obtain access to such information???
The goverment can't even keep their own secrets without leaks to the press.
We are becoming (or have become) a police state.
Reply:No I don't agree with them its not even tried and tested yet like any product they develop for the market, I think the problems that will arise with this are clear and easy, fraud, and it will cost alot and taxpayers won't want to pay for something that it is costing their wages more so why people want to spend more money, on something thats costing them more and more year round.
I think the only thing that the people want is to strive to have new ideas but its just another government advertising campaign to generate more of an income for the current government legislations and the provisions of providing electronic id isn't going to develop until the twenty 1st century.
Reply:I don't have a problem with it because I'm not up to bad stuff, we do need ID that is as hard as possible to forge or fake.
Why are they replacing driver license in America to national id cards you have to scan your finger to get it?
next they are going to shove a camera up our as.......
More personal liberty being stripped away.
Very unconstitutional
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Why are they replacing driver license in America to national id cards you have to scan your finger to get it?
Good grief!! If you are honest and law abiding, you should have nothing to worry about.
Reply:positive id.then the dead cant vote or felons or illegal immigrants.you know,the people who democrats count on to vote.
Reply:but what stops an illegal from getting one, and how do we know we wont stop americans from getting one.
So our government lets in too many illegals, leaves the borders unsecured and then comes back and tells us that the solution is to force american citizens to go through more than they should have to to get a drivers license. All that while still doing nothing about stopping illegals from coming in. Hmmmmmmm?!!
Reply:So big brother knows where you are and what you're doing.
Reply:because our country let in way too many illegals!!! if your blonde and blue, etc.etc. why would you even need one?? and speak english, more money, always, for something else, that the tax payers have to shell out for!!! sickning!!
Reply:for my safety
Reply:The government is just taking another step to having complete control over its people. its scary, everyone should protest it. it doesn't matter if you are a law abiding citizen or not, your personal liberty is in jeopardy.
Reply:to tighten down on security. I agree with it.
Reply:terrorism
Reply:Its about time.
Reply:I haven't heard about a national ID card. But we've needed one for a long long time.
Incidently, the Social Security Act expressly prohibits the SS Card from being used as an ID card of any kind because of fear it would become a "national ID", which the Congress and FDR absolutely didn't want back in 1933.
More personal liberty being stripped away.
Very unconstitutional
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEJfS1v-f...
Why are they replacing driver license in America to national id cards you have to scan your finger to get it?
Good grief!! If you are honest and law abiding, you should have nothing to worry about.
Reply:positive id.then the dead cant vote or felons or illegal immigrants.you know,the people who democrats count on to vote.
Reply:but what stops an illegal from getting one, and how do we know we wont stop americans from getting one.
So our government lets in too many illegals, leaves the borders unsecured and then comes back and tells us that the solution is to force american citizens to go through more than they should have to to get a drivers license. All that while still doing nothing about stopping illegals from coming in. Hmmmmmmm?!!
Reply:So big brother knows where you are and what you're doing.
Reply:because our country let in way too many illegals!!! if your blonde and blue, etc.etc. why would you even need one?? and speak english, more money, always, for something else, that the tax payers have to shell out for!!! sickning!!
Reply:for my safety
Reply:The government is just taking another step to having complete control over its people. its scary, everyone should protest it. it doesn't matter if you are a law abiding citizen or not, your personal liberty is in jeopardy.
Reply:to tighten down on security. I agree with it.
Reply:terrorism
Reply:Its about time.
Reply:I haven't heard about a national ID card. But we've needed one for a long long time.
Incidently, the Social Security Act expressly prohibits the SS Card from being used as an ID card of any kind because of fear it would become a "national ID", which the Congress and FDR absolutely didn't want back in 1933.
Where can you get ID cards?
My 18th birthday is coming up and I wonderd where I could get an ID card from in the uk. I dont drive so cant use a drivers licence. Does anyone know?
Where can you get ID cards?
The motor vehicles dept can issue you an ID card, even if you don't drive.
Where can you get ID cards?
The motor vehicles dept can issue you an ID card, even if you don't drive.
Is there an ID card available for international travelers with prosthetic devices?
I am going to do some international travel this summer. I know there is an ID card available for people with pacemakers, etc to help them more easily get through security checkpoints. Is such a card available for people with prosthetic devices, such as legs which may normally be covered by pants?
Is there an ID card available for international travelers with prosthetic devices?
as far as I know there is no card. I just tell people at the security gate that I wear an artificial leg. One woman I know carries her disabled parking permit with her and a note from the doctor. And I know another woman with multiple health issues has it included in her medical alert bracelet.
I haven't had any real issues flying. I was told they can't tell you to take off your prosthetic and so far I've never so much as been asked. They ask to pat down the leg but always get a woman and never make a big deal of things.
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Is there an ID card available for international travelers with prosthetic devices?
as far as I know there is no card. I just tell people at the security gate that I wear an artificial leg. One woman I know carries her disabled parking permit with her and a note from the doctor. And I know another woman with multiple health issues has it included in her medical alert bracelet.
I haven't had any real issues flying. I was told they can't tell you to take off your prosthetic and so far I've never so much as been asked. They ask to pat down the leg but always get a woman and never make a big deal of things.
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National ID Cards in the UK?
-k- I'm just trying to understand all the furor behind these... I'm not implying that I support them or anything, just trying to get it clear. What makes national ID cards so terrible when we have social security numbers, drivers licenses, etc. I mean, the government already has us assigned to numbers so why all the uproar now?
National ID Cards in the UK?
for one thing, national id cards have been tied to almost every instance of genocide in modern history ... im not sure about the UK, but in the US they will be giving us chipped cards in 2008 and most likely there will be a centralized data base ... most likely in the future you will be required to scan ur card for every transaction, maybe even to get online, and probably anywhere you travel ... in the US the rules have been left up to homeland security ...i think the opportunity for abuse of the system and opression of the people and rights is very high and it is dangerous to have a system like that...
Reply:Why not ? Takes ppl's minds away from the real issues.
Reply:It's about the RFID tracking chips and the assignment of various forms of usage tax liability for the individual products that have the tracking chips. Cash will be able to be tracked from one person to another through these chip IDs and any manner of taxation can be created and enforced...a BAD precedent.
Reply:Largely because we already have so many numbers assigned to us. While if I thought that the ID cards would simplify matters I would support them, instead I suspect it will end up as another piece of plastic in my wallet. Another database with my name, and another billion quid wasted by the government.
National ID Cards in the UK?
for one thing, national id cards have been tied to almost every instance of genocide in modern history ... im not sure about the UK, but in the US they will be giving us chipped cards in 2008 and most likely there will be a centralized data base ... most likely in the future you will be required to scan ur card for every transaction, maybe even to get online, and probably anywhere you travel ... in the US the rules have been left up to homeland security ...i think the opportunity for abuse of the system and opression of the people and rights is very high and it is dangerous to have a system like that...
Reply:Why not ? Takes ppl's minds away from the real issues.
Reply:It's about the RFID tracking chips and the assignment of various forms of usage tax liability for the individual products that have the tracking chips. Cash will be able to be tracked from one person to another through these chip IDs and any manner of taxation can be created and enforced...a BAD precedent.
Reply:Largely because we already have so many numbers assigned to us. While if I thought that the ID cards would simplify matters I would support them, instead I suspect it will end up as another piece of plastic in my wallet. Another database with my name, and another billion quid wasted by the government.
Why aren't Social Security cards laminated and signed like driver's licenses and ID cards?
It would be easier to prevent identity theft if Social Security cards had thumb prints and photo IDs on them (and laminated, too). Someone from the Social Security office would then be able to tell an identity thief from the real person.
If an identity thief got ahold of a regular SS card, he/she can do anything with that number on the card.
So why aren't SS cards treated like driver's licenses and IDs?
Why aren't Social Security cards laminated and signed like driver's licenses and ID cards?
Social Security numbers are only suppose to be used for identification by people who will be paying social security taxes into your social security account. It was never intended to be a national ID used by credit cards, mortgage companies or anyone else.
In fact, it is against federal law to do so. Despite that, everyone does it. That is why every company who uses a social security number as an ID bears full responsibility for security problems and identity theft when an SSN is used.
Reply:Its actually illegal to laminate your SS card. I'm not sure why. I think that its easier to see / verify the signature if the card is not laminated.
It probably is also because they are easily destructable and very difficult to replace if you are not the true owner.
Reply:...because Democrats don't want their future (and current) voting base of illegal immigrants to have a more difficult time making fake SS cards.
If an identity thief got ahold of a regular SS card, he/she can do anything with that number on the card.
So why aren't SS cards treated like driver's licenses and IDs?
Why aren't Social Security cards laminated and signed like driver's licenses and ID cards?
Social Security numbers are only suppose to be used for identification by people who will be paying social security taxes into your social security account. It was never intended to be a national ID used by credit cards, mortgage companies or anyone else.
In fact, it is against federal law to do so. Despite that, everyone does it. That is why every company who uses a social security number as an ID bears full responsibility for security problems and identity theft when an SSN is used.
Reply:Its actually illegal to laminate your SS card. I'm not sure why. I think that its easier to see / verify the signature if the card is not laminated.
It probably is also because they are easily destructable and very difficult to replace if you are not the true owner.
Reply:...because Democrats don't want their future (and current) voting base of illegal immigrants to have a more difficult time making fake SS cards.
You see, this is why we need ID cards?
In another victory for Hindu sensibility, the government cracked down on the rustling of "sacred" cattle in August by issuing ID cards with photos of individual cows, to help guards at the Bangladesh border halt the illegal trade. [BBC News, 8-30-07]
You see, this is why we need ID cards?
cant we chip all immigrants into this country.put a chip in there head,that records when they entered,and more importantly,when they are supposed to go,and when the time expires,remote detonate,hey even if their was a few hmm hmm "accidental"detonations would it matter!
Reply:Yes - they always test run these ideas on animals first - we'll be in the cattle trucks soon under New Labour.
Reply:what.???????????????????
Reply:they all look the same
Reply:Why did they not micro chip them instead. ? I am sure individual cows are known by their owners but they all look pretty much the same to most of us. Wow what a huge data base they must have needed!
Reply:Holy Cow
Reply:Well...speaking about Yahoo Answers I'd say that Shambo would have to renew their passport to travel?
Reply:Trust those idiots with my personal details when they can't even look after a CD, do me a favour.
They might just be fit to hold the identities of cows. They can't have child benefit fraud committed against them. But looking at my ex-girlfriend........I dunno!
Reply:They ought to introduce DEFRA to India!
You see, this is why we need ID cards?
cant we chip all immigrants into this country.put a chip in there head,that records when they entered,and more importantly,when they are supposed to go,and when the time expires,remote detonate,hey even if their was a few hmm hmm "accidental"detonations would it matter!
Reply:Yes - they always test run these ideas on animals first - we'll be in the cattle trucks soon under New Labour.
Reply:what.???????????????????
Reply:they all look the same
Reply:Why did they not micro chip them instead. ? I am sure individual cows are known by their owners but they all look pretty much the same to most of us. Wow what a huge data base they must have needed!
Reply:Holy Cow
Reply:Well...speaking about Yahoo Answers I'd say that Shambo would have to renew their passport to travel?
Reply:Trust those idiots with my personal details when they can't even look after a CD, do me a favour.
They might just be fit to hold the identities of cows. They can't have child benefit fraud committed against them. But looking at my ex-girlfriend........I dunno!
Reply:They ought to introduce DEFRA to India!
Do you support government efforts to implement national ID cards+internal armed checkpoints like Nazi Germany?
Why or why not?
Do you support government efforts to implement national ID cards+internal armed checkpoints like Nazi Germany?
We already have the checkpoints for commercial vehicles, so what!
Reply:if bush wants it im against it
Reply:National ID I don't really haqve a huge problem with,why is that any worse than a drivers license or social security card. In fact it might be nice to have an ID that replaced both,and had enough info to make it extremely hard to counterfeit,which would in turn help with Illegal Immigration.
As for armed checkpoints,I have heard no talk of that,sounds a little paranoid to me. In fact the only state I know of that has checkpoints to enter is also the most Liberal state in America,California.
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Reply:Of course not. If we allow this to happen it is ourselves who are to blame.
Reply:You elected him, You can't complain that you never want 9-11 to happen again and go to war with the enemy, then complain when your government try to provent illegals and people who have something to hide from roaming your country, like the pedophiles jumping bail, and the terrorist illegal immergrants, If you want a better, criminal free, safe country, you have to make sacrifices too, its not all george bush's fault for fck sake. you have more freedom and rights then every fcking country on earth. If you think thats bad, try living in the Europe, where it really IS like living in nazi germany.
Reply:I have no problem with a national ID card. We already need a driver's license or some form of official ID for most things. It makes me a bit sick that more id is required to buy a beer or rent a movie than it is to vote for leader of the free world.
I'm not sure of what you're referring to as far as the check points. We could probably due with out the raging anti-sematism and genocide of Nazi Germany.
Reply:That is the most unconstitutional, anti-free society idea I've ever head in my life.
Reply:Angel of Death
" In fact the only state I know of that has checkpoints to enter is also the most Liberal state in America,California."
The only CHECKPOINT THAT WE HAVE - IS THE ONE THAT SEPERATES THE U. S. FROM MEXICO.
Get your facts.
As far as nation id cards - isn't the S.S card already considered one?
Reply:We already have ID cards. I think the national ID is a great way to deal with the immigration problems we have.
I do not think this will make the US equate to the Nazis.
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Do you support government efforts to implement national ID cards+internal armed checkpoints like Nazi Germany?
We already have the checkpoints for commercial vehicles, so what!
Reply:if bush wants it im against it
Reply:National ID I don't really haqve a huge problem with,why is that any worse than a drivers license or social security card. In fact it might be nice to have an ID that replaced both,and had enough info to make it extremely hard to counterfeit,which would in turn help with Illegal Immigration.
As for armed checkpoints,I have heard no talk of that,sounds a little paranoid to me. In fact the only state I know of that has checkpoints to enter is also the most Liberal state in America,California.
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Reply:Of course not. If we allow this to happen it is ourselves who are to blame.
Reply:You elected him, You can't complain that you never want 9-11 to happen again and go to war with the enemy, then complain when your government try to provent illegals and people who have something to hide from roaming your country, like the pedophiles jumping bail, and the terrorist illegal immergrants, If you want a better, criminal free, safe country, you have to make sacrifices too, its not all george bush's fault for fck sake. you have more freedom and rights then every fcking country on earth. If you think thats bad, try living in the Europe, where it really IS like living in nazi germany.
Reply:I have no problem with a national ID card. We already need a driver's license or some form of official ID for most things. It makes me a bit sick that more id is required to buy a beer or rent a movie than it is to vote for leader of the free world.
I'm not sure of what you're referring to as far as the check points. We could probably due with out the raging anti-sematism and genocide of Nazi Germany.
Reply:That is the most unconstitutional, anti-free society idea I've ever head in my life.
Reply:Angel of Death
" In fact the only state I know of that has checkpoints to enter is also the most Liberal state in America,California."
The only CHECKPOINT THAT WE HAVE - IS THE ONE THAT SEPERATES THE U. S. FROM MEXICO.
Get your facts.
As far as nation id cards - isn't the S.S card already considered one?
Reply:We already have ID cards. I think the national ID is a great way to deal with the immigration problems we have.
I do not think this will make the US equate to the Nazis.
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Id cards and driver licenses?
im 15 and i want to get a state id card and i was wondering if i get a id card can i get my drivers license at 16 still or do i have to wait for the card to expire? by the way i live in ohio. can i only have the id card for a year then get the drivers license?
Id cards and driver licenses?
no you can have both at the same time drivers liscence works for both but ID only works for ID
Reply:You can get an ID card, but when you get a licence, the state will be sending you your Drivers Licence in the mail because there's a difference in the two cards.
Reply:Hello,
I think in most of the fifty United States, the age requirement for having a driver's license is sixteen (16 years). But this may also vary in some states to eighteen (18 years) or more.
However, when someone who qualifies get a driver's license, it is only valid in that specific state for driving purposes.
But it can also be an identity card for a US citizen travelling in any one of the fifty United States.
If you intend to cross the US borders into another country, that would require a passport, permit, or some form of VISA (or permission) to enter that country!
Bringbaka.
NYC.
Reply:you dont have to wait for the card to expire but when you get your drivers license they'll take your Id card because you have a new form of ID (your drivers license) and they think if you have both you'll edit one to make yourself 21 or something..
Reply:You can apply for the license whenever you want. Your ID card will be void as soon as you get the license in your hand (they may or may not ask you to turn it in, but the magnetic strip will stop working).
Id cards and driver licenses?
no you can have both at the same time drivers liscence works for both but ID only works for ID
Reply:You can get an ID card, but when you get a licence, the state will be sending you your Drivers Licence in the mail because there's a difference in the two cards.
Reply:Hello,
I think in most of the fifty United States, the age requirement for having a driver's license is sixteen (16 years). But this may also vary in some states to eighteen (18 years) or more.
However, when someone who qualifies get a driver's license, it is only valid in that specific state for driving purposes.
But it can also be an identity card for a US citizen travelling in any one of the fifty United States.
If you intend to cross the US borders into another country, that would require a passport, permit, or some form of VISA (or permission) to enter that country!
Bringbaka.
NYC.
Reply:you dont have to wait for the card to expire but when you get your drivers license they'll take your Id card because you have a new form of ID (your drivers license) and they think if you have both you'll edit one to make yourself 21 or something..
Reply:You can apply for the license whenever you want. Your ID card will be void as soon as you get the license in your hand (they may or may not ask you to turn it in, but the magnetic strip will stop working).
Are we supposed to be getting ID cards in the UK?
I'm not into politics at all, just heard someone mention it the other day.
Good idea, bad idea?
Are we supposed to be getting ID cards in the UK?
Yes we are. The government line is that it will help the fight against crime (and illegal immigration) Opinion is divided about its 'benefits' In addition there is the worry that every major project undertaken by this government has been a disaster especially in the areas of new technology.
The failures of computer systems in the Home office, NHS, Customs, the Passports fiasco are just the ones I can remember quickly.
Add to that the fact that the law abiding citizen is the one who will pay, perhaps a s much as £1,000 depending on the size of your family. It looks like another stealth tax to employ a few extra people at the public's' expense and a further payback to the big business that has funded Tony and Gordon's big adventure.
You can add road pricing as another in the same league, along with the insidious use of speed cameras to raise revenue.
Not a fan as I don't believe it will tackle the real cause of crime in the UK
Reply:If we have to have I.D. cards with all the information that they are said to be able to hold then why do we need a Passport? Report Abuse
Reply:yes, if the idiot liberals running around shouting 'freedom' don't get their sodding way. It would be another instrument to cut social security fraud by illegals, but I supposethe Arabs will soon learn how to forge them, like passports
Reply:Everyone will get one, except the terrorists, who will forge them.
Reply:Yes, starting with foreigners living in the UK. The government has had so many disasters I suspect it will be another costly fiasco. BTW, Spain has ID cards and it didn't stop terrorism there.
Reply:Bad idea, expensive idea and draconian infringement of our liberties. It should be opposed all the way.
Time for a little civil disobedience!
Reply:hopefully not.its a complete farce and a total waste of money.
Reply:yes got to infowars.com or prisonplanet.com in one of those sites all the info you need is there.
Reply:Being introduced in 2009
compulsory by 2010
all details on the home office website
Good idea, bad idea?
Are we supposed to be getting ID cards in the UK?
Yes we are. The government line is that it will help the fight against crime (and illegal immigration) Opinion is divided about its 'benefits' In addition there is the worry that every major project undertaken by this government has been a disaster especially in the areas of new technology.
The failures of computer systems in the Home office, NHS, Customs, the Passports fiasco are just the ones I can remember quickly.
Add to that the fact that the law abiding citizen is the one who will pay, perhaps a s much as £1,000 depending on the size of your family. It looks like another stealth tax to employ a few extra people at the public's' expense and a further payback to the big business that has funded Tony and Gordon's big adventure.
You can add road pricing as another in the same league, along with the insidious use of speed cameras to raise revenue.
Not a fan as I don't believe it will tackle the real cause of crime in the UK
Reply:If we have to have I.D. cards with all the information that they are said to be able to hold then why do we need a Passport? Report Abuse
Reply:yes, if the idiot liberals running around shouting 'freedom' don't get their sodding way. It would be another instrument to cut social security fraud by illegals, but I supposethe Arabs will soon learn how to forge them, like passports
Reply:Everyone will get one, except the terrorists, who will forge them.
Reply:Yes, starting with foreigners living in the UK. The government has had so many disasters I suspect it will be another costly fiasco. BTW, Spain has ID cards and it didn't stop terrorism there.
Reply:Bad idea, expensive idea and draconian infringement of our liberties. It should be opposed all the way.
Time for a little civil disobedience!
Reply:hopefully not.its a complete farce and a total waste of money.
Reply:yes got to infowars.com or prisonplanet.com in one of those sites all the info you need is there.
Reply:Being introduced in 2009
compulsory by 2010
all details on the home office website
Is Oregon Interim ID card valid for traveling to and from Canada?
My daughter is going to camp in Canada. She needs a passport or a valid id. Oregon used to issue id cards on the spot - now the issue interim cards and the plastic one comes in the mail 5 - 10 days later. I wasn't aware of the change and didn't plan to allow for the extra days. problem is - she leaves for camp Monday! Yikes! Will she be able to use her interim card?
Did Tule Lake (a japanese internment camp) have ID cards to determine who was who?
Please answer- all help is needed, even if you have some facts about the tule lake camp, your answer is welcome. Please list your source.
Did Tule Lake (a japanese internment camp) have ID cards to determine who was who?
Yes, %26amp; the link below should show an example of one:
http://content.cdlib.org/ark:/13030/kt80...
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Did Tule Lake (a japanese internment camp) have ID cards to determine who was who?
Yes, %26amp; the link below should show an example of one:
http://content.cdlib.org/ark:/13030/kt80...
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Pokemon Cards POP ID, can i use the one i made on pokemon.com for my first competition?
i ahvent played at a pokemon tournament yet, but i have made an account on pokemon.com. my account has a POP ID code. can i use taht when i go to my first tournament, or do the officials HAVE to make me a new one?
If i can use mine, do i jsut bring it with me?
Pokemon Cards POP ID, can i use the one i made on pokemon.com for my first competition?
The POP ID you get from the website is acceptable at tournaments.
I did what you did, printed out my ID, and have used it at every tournament I've been in. I'd venture to guess that as long as you at least have your POP ID number with you, it will be acceptable.
If i can use mine, do i jsut bring it with me?
Pokemon Cards POP ID, can i use the one i made on pokemon.com for my first competition?
The POP ID you get from the website is acceptable at tournaments.
I did what you did, printed out my ID, and have used it at every tournament I've been in. I'd venture to guess that as long as you at least have your POP ID number with you, it will be acceptable.
Will you tell the government to stop taking liberties if we are told to have ID cards?
They have our details already and my hospital even has my blood so WTF?????
We would be mad to let them get away with this.
Will you tell the government to stop taking liberties if we are told to have ID cards?
Oh yes! Think I'd have to migrate if that happened, hate them thinking they have the right to do that (and a lot of other things)
By the way, you should be able to see your own medical records, surely...
Harumph, ellis would never let 'em get away with it.
Reply:I don't think they would be taking liberties. I am in agreement that we should all have official ID cards. If you have nothing to hide, why not. It would also cut down on fraud, terrorism, etc. It wouldn't bother me in the slightest.
Reply:We need at least voting ID cards so we can confirm only legal Americans right to vote.
We wouldn't want illegals voting.
More election fraud....
Reply:I won't be getting one feck the consequences.
Reply:YOu cannot buy take out without a card from your bank or a charge card or cash. Drive without an ID card. They have you. You all should have paid attention to RON PAUL.
Reply:No,,they will take liberties whatever they do to us,,that`s thier job,,
We would be mad to let them get away with this.
Will you tell the government to stop taking liberties if we are told to have ID cards?
Oh yes! Think I'd have to migrate if that happened, hate them thinking they have the right to do that (and a lot of other things)
By the way, you should be able to see your own medical records, surely...
Harumph, ellis would never let 'em get away with it.
Reply:I don't think they would be taking liberties. I am in agreement that we should all have official ID cards. If you have nothing to hide, why not. It would also cut down on fraud, terrorism, etc. It wouldn't bother me in the slightest.
Reply:We need at least voting ID cards so we can confirm only legal Americans right to vote.
We wouldn't want illegals voting.
More election fraud....
Reply:I won't be getting one feck the consequences.
Reply:YOu cannot buy take out without a card from your bank or a charge card or cash. Drive without an ID card. They have you. You all should have paid attention to RON PAUL.
Reply:No,,they will take liberties whatever they do to us,,that`s thier job,,
Does american red cross issue out donor id cards to people who infected with std's?
Red Cross policy
Sexually Transmitted Disease
Wait 12 months after treatment for syphilis or gonorrhea.
Acceptable if it has been more than 12 months since you completed treatment for syphilis or gonorrhea.
Chlamydia, venereal warts (human papilloma virus), or genital herpes are not a cause for deferral if you are feeling healthy and well and meet all other eligibility requirements.
the Red Cross guideline on STD's and blood donations:
Does american red cross issue out donor id cards to people who infected with std's?
I assume that if a person
a) is not at high risk for a blood-transmitted disease and
b) wants to give blood
that the Red Cross would, and should, give them a donor card.
They aren't going to be having sex with the blood recipient. Only giving them blood. So if they don't have a blood-bourne disease, what's the issue?
Sexually Transmitted Disease
Wait 12 months after treatment for syphilis or gonorrhea.
Acceptable if it has been more than 12 months since you completed treatment for syphilis or gonorrhea.
Chlamydia, venereal warts (human papilloma virus), or genital herpes are not a cause for deferral if you are feeling healthy and well and meet all other eligibility requirements.
the Red Cross guideline on STD's and blood donations:
Does american red cross issue out donor id cards to people who infected with std's?
I assume that if a person
a) is not at high risk for a blood-transmitted disease and
b) wants to give blood
that the Red Cross would, and should, give them a donor card.
They aren't going to be having sex with the blood recipient. Only giving them blood. So if they don't have a blood-bourne disease, what's the issue?
If ID cards become compulsory in the UK, at your expense, will you rebel & refuse to get one?
ID cards could cost £200 to £300 and IT experts have stated that they will increase the risk of ID theft. Pilot ID cards have been hacked inside minutes.
They will also have RFIS technology, meaning your details can be read remotely without your knowledge and you will have your movements tracked and recorded on a central database.
Some people think a plastic card is the solution to terrorism and wil be like garlic to a vampire. But the Madrid terrorists carried ID cards, the 7/7 bombers carried ID and the 9/11 hijackers carried passport ID, so it won’t scare of Bin Laden and Co
With no obvious benefit to the British people, but many, many drawbacks to privacy at a very high price, will you refuse ID cards if (when) they become mandatory?
If I’ve missed the point here, and you can sell the benefits to me, please respond.
Don’t type abuse here – I’m trying to gauge British feelings and views.
If ID cards become compulsory in the UK, at your expense, will you rebel %26amp; refuse to get one?
Yep - there are no benefits. Why should I have to prove myself to the government? They dug the hole for themselves as far as this so called terrorist threat was concerned, they can dig themselves out of it. It is nothing to do with me - they have no right to stop me and check my ID.
And another thing - what is all this crap about profiling Muslims at airports and universities? Isn't this stereotyping? It's like saying because I'm a woman, I have to stay at home and do the housework. Most people have moved on - this is 2006!
Reply:probably yes
Reply:I would resist it as long as poss,but at the end of the day they have you over a barell.They would eventualy make you show it to withdraw money,buy certain goods(tv eqpt to check you have a licence),to get paid by your employer,to keep tabs on your co2 quota and your movements.Just look at the info Tescos can get on you if you have a loyalty card collating allthe info over a period of time they can even work out when the women in a household menstruate !! I say a big no to it.We have all been stuck behind someone in a shopping que when their card wont go through just imagine the hassle created in your life if you cant obtain goodsor services or even a doctors appointment when your ID card wont go through -"COMPUTER SAYS NO" sorry nuffink I can do youll have to call the helpline!
Reply:How exactly do the government expect all those who are struggling to survive the burden of Gordon Brown's tax regime to find yet more money to pay for a piece of plastic which is of no benefit whatsoever to its carrier ?
ID cards are yet another government scam to deprive us of our freedom and our money. We should all refuse to get one. Our prisons are already full to bursting - they can't lock us all up. For that matter, the court system couldn't cope with a mass rebellion either.
Reply:I would refuse to have one.
Reply:I cannot see the point of I.D. cards. We already have driving licences and passports. Why on earth do we need something else? To me it's just another way of taking even more of our hard earned money away from us. I think that we should all en-masse refuse to have them.
Reply:i can understand why the government wants us to have one, but also i believe that we shouldn't be forced to buy one, taking into consideration the hefty price tag. £200, 300 is a lot of money, as i am a full-time student currently at university and plus, i am unemployed as well. if they are mandatory, then yes i will not buy one and anyhow, even if we did have ID cards, i still think this won't prevent further terrorist attacks taking place in britain and as you stated the terrorists of the 9/11, 7/7 and madrid bombings had in their possession ID cards, and still they managed to murder thousands of innocent people in the process. so what makes the government think that having ID cards will curb the terrorism issue and stop potential terrorists plotting further attacks? because i believe that even if we did have ID cards, it still won't stop the future bin laden's and al-qaeda operatives from killing and murdering thousands of innocent people here in britain
Reply:You WILL be getting an ID card so you better get used to it. It will be a civil offence if you don't turn up (or have a reasonable excuse) to have your details taken. This will be in the form of a regular FINE. You will not be taken to prison, if you don't accept it you will be gradually made BANKRUPT. This is enough of a deterrent for most people.
Just to say that I am 100% against ID cards and the perverted "slavery is freedom" philosophy behind them. But there will be no grand protests and those that do refuse will be quietly dealt with away from the Press. If - when it comes down to it - you really do refuse, then you have my utmost respect.
Reply:The HELL with ID Cards. It is just another scam the goverment is running us! to make more money to fuel the war.
Reply:I am not paying for an ID card,If they want me to have one then they can give it to me.
Reply:I'm not getting one
Reply:I won't be getting one, if people knew the full scale of the proposals they probably wouldn't want one either.
Surprisingly the government is being underhand about them. I wonder how much of a kickback they're getting from the IT manufacturers and "thinktanks"?
Reply:Yes I will rebel and refuse to get one. I will certainly not pay out for something I neither want nor asked for!!!
Reply:i will never get one they can lock me up but with the state of out prision system i dont think they can.
Reply:The Government will get the money anyway so you might as well take the worthless card.
Reply:Anyone who knows anything about IT, or the govts track record on large scale IT projects is sweating!
A passport is ID. No on has explained how ID is supposed to stop a suicide bomber, yet thats supposedly why we need them.
A credit card is ID. You'd think the credit card companies have a vested interest in keeping the system secure yet the servers of the major companies were hacked last year and tens of thousands of numbers stolen - if you got any unexplained items on your bill you were told your id was stolen and told to buy a shredder.
All the info on us will be available for sale to business to target us for advertising more effectively. (Like I need more junk mail and more pressure to get into debt).
The poll tax was scrapped after years of protest only to be replaced by the community charge and an increase in VAT, it was addedd to gas an electricity.
I'l think carefully before protesting this one as the penalties seem drastically high.
I have a birth certificate and NI number, that should be enough. I never go abroad, can't afford it.
Reply:postively not!idont live in the uk i live in the us,iwould refuse on the grounds that i know who i am i already have idim also a veteran and a rehabilitated x con if the goverment doesnt have enough on me already then screw em i have nothing to hide
they dont scare or worry me i know all about 3 hots and a cot.
im prepared to meet my maker,are they/
Reply:No!
I will pay the asking amount for it.Why should I rebel?
But I presume If that happens,most of the fellow Britons will refuse to pay and then the working part of Britain has to pay for them instead!
So basically people who work will have to pay double!
Pay for 2 and get only one!
Reply:It will be very difficult to manage without them.The government will make it impossible to get any payments, (pensions,income support,child benefit,etc)without an id card.Mot, passports,in fact, you will be forced to have one.There is no way out of it,unfortunately.The daft thing is,honest people don't need them,%26amp; dis-honest people can get forged ones,for a price.Apart from the illegal invasion of Iraq,this is the most stupid thing Blair %26amp; his gang have done.
Reply:What's the point? I have a driver's license, a passport, a birth certificate, a national insurance number, a tenancy agreement, a bank account - how is it going to make a spot of difference?
It's just such a dumb idea, and it'll be busted wide open by organised criminals.
Reply:Yes i will
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They will also have RFIS technology, meaning your details can be read remotely without your knowledge and you will have your movements tracked and recorded on a central database.
Some people think a plastic card is the solution to terrorism and wil be like garlic to a vampire. But the Madrid terrorists carried ID cards, the 7/7 bombers carried ID and the 9/11 hijackers carried passport ID, so it won’t scare of Bin Laden and Co
With no obvious benefit to the British people, but many, many drawbacks to privacy at a very high price, will you refuse ID cards if (when) they become mandatory?
If I’ve missed the point here, and you can sell the benefits to me, please respond.
Don’t type abuse here – I’m trying to gauge British feelings and views.
If ID cards become compulsory in the UK, at your expense, will you rebel %26amp; refuse to get one?
Yep - there are no benefits. Why should I have to prove myself to the government? They dug the hole for themselves as far as this so called terrorist threat was concerned, they can dig themselves out of it. It is nothing to do with me - they have no right to stop me and check my ID.
And another thing - what is all this crap about profiling Muslims at airports and universities? Isn't this stereotyping? It's like saying because I'm a woman, I have to stay at home and do the housework. Most people have moved on - this is 2006!
Reply:probably yes
Reply:I would resist it as long as poss,but at the end of the day they have you over a barell.They would eventualy make you show it to withdraw money,buy certain goods(tv eqpt to check you have a licence),to get paid by your employer,to keep tabs on your co2 quota and your movements.Just look at the info Tescos can get on you if you have a loyalty card collating allthe info over a period of time they can even work out when the women in a household menstruate !! I say a big no to it.We have all been stuck behind someone in a shopping que when their card wont go through just imagine the hassle created in your life if you cant obtain goodsor services or even a doctors appointment when your ID card wont go through -"COMPUTER SAYS NO" sorry nuffink I can do youll have to call the helpline!
Reply:How exactly do the government expect all those who are struggling to survive the burden of Gordon Brown's tax regime to find yet more money to pay for a piece of plastic which is of no benefit whatsoever to its carrier ?
ID cards are yet another government scam to deprive us of our freedom and our money. We should all refuse to get one. Our prisons are already full to bursting - they can't lock us all up. For that matter, the court system couldn't cope with a mass rebellion either.
Reply:I would refuse to have one.
Reply:I cannot see the point of I.D. cards. We already have driving licences and passports. Why on earth do we need something else? To me it's just another way of taking even more of our hard earned money away from us. I think that we should all en-masse refuse to have them.
Reply:i can understand why the government wants us to have one, but also i believe that we shouldn't be forced to buy one, taking into consideration the hefty price tag. £200, 300 is a lot of money, as i am a full-time student currently at university and plus, i am unemployed as well. if they are mandatory, then yes i will not buy one and anyhow, even if we did have ID cards, i still think this won't prevent further terrorist attacks taking place in britain and as you stated the terrorists of the 9/11, 7/7 and madrid bombings had in their possession ID cards, and still they managed to murder thousands of innocent people in the process. so what makes the government think that having ID cards will curb the terrorism issue and stop potential terrorists plotting further attacks? because i believe that even if we did have ID cards, it still won't stop the future bin laden's and al-qaeda operatives from killing and murdering thousands of innocent people here in britain
Reply:You WILL be getting an ID card so you better get used to it. It will be a civil offence if you don't turn up (or have a reasonable excuse) to have your details taken. This will be in the form of a regular FINE. You will not be taken to prison, if you don't accept it you will be gradually made BANKRUPT. This is enough of a deterrent for most people.
Just to say that I am 100% against ID cards and the perverted "slavery is freedom" philosophy behind them. But there will be no grand protests and those that do refuse will be quietly dealt with away from the Press. If - when it comes down to it - you really do refuse, then you have my utmost respect.
Reply:The HELL with ID Cards. It is just another scam the goverment is running us! to make more money to fuel the war.
Reply:I am not paying for an ID card,If they want me to have one then they can give it to me.
Reply:I'm not getting one
Reply:I won't be getting one, if people knew the full scale of the proposals they probably wouldn't want one either.
Surprisingly the government is being underhand about them. I wonder how much of a kickback they're getting from the IT manufacturers and "thinktanks"?
Reply:Yes I will rebel and refuse to get one. I will certainly not pay out for something I neither want nor asked for!!!
Reply:i will never get one they can lock me up but with the state of out prision system i dont think they can.
Reply:The Government will get the money anyway so you might as well take the worthless card.
Reply:Anyone who knows anything about IT, or the govts track record on large scale IT projects is sweating!
A passport is ID. No on has explained how ID is supposed to stop a suicide bomber, yet thats supposedly why we need them.
A credit card is ID. You'd think the credit card companies have a vested interest in keeping the system secure yet the servers of the major companies were hacked last year and tens of thousands of numbers stolen - if you got any unexplained items on your bill you were told your id was stolen and told to buy a shredder.
All the info on us will be available for sale to business to target us for advertising more effectively. (Like I need more junk mail and more pressure to get into debt).
The poll tax was scrapped after years of protest only to be replaced by the community charge and an increase in VAT, it was addedd to gas an electricity.
I'l think carefully before protesting this one as the penalties seem drastically high.
I have a birth certificate and NI number, that should be enough. I never go abroad, can't afford it.
Reply:postively not!idont live in the uk i live in the us,iwould refuse on the grounds that i know who i am i already have idim also a veteran and a rehabilitated x con if the goverment doesnt have enough on me already then screw em i have nothing to hide
they dont scare or worry me i know all about 3 hots and a cot.
im prepared to meet my maker,are they/
Reply:No!
I will pay the asking amount for it.Why should I rebel?
But I presume If that happens,most of the fellow Britons will refuse to pay and then the working part of Britain has to pay for them instead!
So basically people who work will have to pay double!
Pay for 2 and get only one!
Reply:It will be very difficult to manage without them.The government will make it impossible to get any payments, (pensions,income support,child benefit,etc)without an id card.Mot, passports,in fact, you will be forced to have one.There is no way out of it,unfortunately.The daft thing is,honest people don't need them,%26amp; dis-honest people can get forged ones,for a price.Apart from the illegal invasion of Iraq,this is the most stupid thing Blair %26amp; his gang have done.
Reply:What's the point? I have a driver's license, a passport, a birth certificate, a national insurance number, a tenancy agreement, a bank account - how is it going to make a spot of difference?
It's just such a dumb idea, and it'll be busted wide open by organised criminals.
Reply:Yes i will
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What do i need to print ID cards?
if u print the real id cards legally then contact me 9996156844,
otherwise not dear
In May 2008 we are all going to have to start carrying Federal ID cards. I think the resistance starts now.?
No, you obedient facist morons, that was not a question. It was a rallying cry for people who still love America - not you sickening sycophants who worship at the cult of Cheney.
In May 2008 we are all going to have to start carrying Federal ID cards. I think the resistance starts now.?
That's what a lot of the illegal immigrant hype has been about. They get us all riled up, and make no real attempts to change the situation...they they tell us the national id cards will stop illegal immigration, and if we have a problem with it we must be hiding something. Just watch and see how many Americans let it happen, and even ask for it to happen...using the same old line about being, "wiling to give up some civil liberties in return for safety...
Reply:I thought those were just for foreigners entering the country?
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gandamack2
You don't burn your home to catch mice.
Just like you don't kill yourself to cure the flu.
Reply:All cars since 2000 have an RFID chip already in them. There is a big push to turn all bridges in my state into toll ways which will require an RFID chip in the window of the car/truck. There is already a system being implemented at the Canadian border to "pre-register" commercial trucks, drivers and loads so the trucks wont have to stop at the border.
The "Real-ID" drivers license is a "step" towards the ultimate goal of the globalists...electronic currency micro-chip based economies with all people required to be "chipped" to buy and sell anything. This last step will NOT be optional!
Yes many will "revolt" and they will be eliminated.
Reply:More and more I'm appreciative of the fact that I'm a citizen of Canada. Aren't you Americans at least a little concerned that you're marching down the road to a fascist, totalitarian state?
Reply:is this for real!?!?!?!?
what's wrong with a driver's license? kinda creepy to me! one more reason why im happy up here in the great white north....
Reply:haha well they're a dwindling 20 something percent now....i will carry that ID card just like i signed up for the draft *wink. I would love to be sitting in Fed Pen because i forgot my ID...that would make a great story for my grandchildren.
Reply:ill carry the card once i cut out the RFID chip in it, then mail it back to the whitehouse
Reply:Let's see 'em try and make me! I'll stop banking completely and stock-up on food or start growing my own. I imagine there will be a huge opposition to this, not only from the people but from the agencies that are in charge of the cost and implementation of this massive bureaucratic overhaul.
Reply:Why do you have a problem with a federal ID card? I have four forms of picture ID.
Do you call anyone who doesn't agree with your rants "facist [sic] morons"?
BTW. You spelled fascist wrong, moron.
Reply:Unreal that this nonsense is gonna happen. Excerpt from the news
"Many states have revolted. The governors of Idaho, Maine, Montana, New Hampshire, Oklahoma, South Carolina and Washington have signed bills refusing to comply with the act. Six others have passed bills and/or resolutions expressing opposition, and 15 have similar legislation pending."
Reply:Right on!
Reply:and if Hillary gets elected, they'll blame it on Clinton!
Reply:Why would we need one? Certainly not for the free health care the Democrats are promising the illegals. Just die your hair black and learn Spanish.
Reply:I think its a great idea..you have no clue as to how many people we can lock up once we can start asking them for an ID...there are 3000 child molesters alone missing after Katrina loose in the country...they'll be toast when we get the ID system up and running...
In May 2008 we are all going to have to start carrying Federal ID cards. I think the resistance starts now.?
That's what a lot of the illegal immigrant hype has been about. They get us all riled up, and make no real attempts to change the situation...they they tell us the national id cards will stop illegal immigration, and if we have a problem with it we must be hiding something. Just watch and see how many Americans let it happen, and even ask for it to happen...using the same old line about being, "wiling to give up some civil liberties in return for safety...
Reply:I thought those were just for foreigners entering the country?
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gandamack2
You don't burn your home to catch mice.
Just like you don't kill yourself to cure the flu.
Reply:All cars since 2000 have an RFID chip already in them. There is a big push to turn all bridges in my state into toll ways which will require an RFID chip in the window of the car/truck. There is already a system being implemented at the Canadian border to "pre-register" commercial trucks, drivers and loads so the trucks wont have to stop at the border.
The "Real-ID" drivers license is a "step" towards the ultimate goal of the globalists...electronic currency micro-chip based economies with all people required to be "chipped" to buy and sell anything. This last step will NOT be optional!
Yes many will "revolt" and they will be eliminated.
Reply:More and more I'm appreciative of the fact that I'm a citizen of Canada. Aren't you Americans at least a little concerned that you're marching down the road to a fascist, totalitarian state?
Reply:is this for real!?!?!?!?
what's wrong with a driver's license? kinda creepy to me! one more reason why im happy up here in the great white north....
Reply:haha well they're a dwindling 20 something percent now....i will carry that ID card just like i signed up for the draft *wink. I would love to be sitting in Fed Pen because i forgot my ID...that would make a great story for my grandchildren.
Reply:ill carry the card once i cut out the RFID chip in it, then mail it back to the whitehouse
Reply:Let's see 'em try and make me! I'll stop banking completely and stock-up on food or start growing my own. I imagine there will be a huge opposition to this, not only from the people but from the agencies that are in charge of the cost and implementation of this massive bureaucratic overhaul.
Reply:Why do you have a problem with a federal ID card? I have four forms of picture ID.
Do you call anyone who doesn't agree with your rants "facist [sic] morons"?
BTW. You spelled fascist wrong, moron.
Reply:Unreal that this nonsense is gonna happen. Excerpt from the news
"Many states have revolted. The governors of Idaho, Maine, Montana, New Hampshire, Oklahoma, South Carolina and Washington have signed bills refusing to comply with the act. Six others have passed bills and/or resolutions expressing opposition, and 15 have similar legislation pending."
Reply:Right on!
Reply:and if Hillary gets elected, they'll blame it on Clinton!
Reply:Why would we need one? Certainly not for the free health care the Democrats are promising the illegals. Just die your hair black and learn Spanish.
Reply:I think its a great idea..you have no clue as to how many people we can lock up once we can start asking them for an ID...there are 3000 child molesters alone missing after Katrina loose in the country...they'll be toast when we get the ID system up and running...
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