Do you agree or disagree with Ron Paul on the national ID card?

Moderator: Dr. Paul?





Paul: I am absolutely opposed to a national ID card. This is a total contradiction of what a free society is all about.





Paul: The purpose of government is to protect the secrecy and the privacy of all individuals, not the secrecy of government. We don't need a national ID card.

Do you agree or disagree with Ron Paul on the national ID card?
Some of these answers are so dense. Maybe it's because a few are serial anti-ron'ers. They cannot even admit they agree with him on a few things, so will spew nonsense.





A national ID card, is nothing different than Hitlers era of "Papers Please" as someone already stated. ILLEGAL immigrants seem to be able to fake any ID card anyway, so how will it work?





If you know something about security systems, you don't wonder how it works, you wonder how it would fail. Such a card will not be unforgeable, just like DVD's and even HD-DVD's are able to be copied, TPM chips in computers can be circumvented, Xbox 360's, etc.





What happens when you lose or misplace your card? I've left my wallet somewhere twice in my life, now who has your ID, and who has the authority to provide you with a new one, and how do you prove you are who you are? Do you have two copies? Can you give your copy to your illegal buddy? What happens to the 5th amendment? What if someone doesn't like you at your job, or in the government, and shuts your's off?





Now, you have a single database, perhaps with everyone's information on it. What if there is a breach? Don't tell me that the government never has internal breaches. What if there is a breach from an outside force or government? China for example, they have extreme hacking skills, and have strutted their prowess breaking into the NSA, as well as downloading terabytes of data from German government offices.





What happens if the database is destroyed, does America stop functioning because it cannot verify anything? What happens if your bank info is tied to it? Now you can't buy anything? What happens to all your money?





Some people just don't think things through, some are oblivious (even politicians, they aren't security experts), and I hope some of you have an open enough mind, that you can mull over some of what I said.
Reply:I agree, we should never have an national ID card, as "big brother" is already in every faction of our lives now.


Sadly, no matter his, or mine, or your opinion-on the matter, the national ID card is already in the process of becoming fact.


The mandates of the federal government regarding your drivers license, call for just such information being embedded as required by the feds for full control, and eventually they Will know every time you get fuel, food or whatever when it becomes necessary to show or slide your license for any service. All the information will be on the magnetic strip, and the card will have to be swiped to purchase fuel and other items. It's already here friend.





And for those that say "so what"? and are too young to remember Hitler, this is exactly the way he started to control his people. Are we to accept the same fate?
Reply:YES....I agree with that.





Why are citizens required to be more transparent than their government?
Reply:Hell yes I agree!
Reply:I agree with him. Absolutely NO national ID card. It's like that damn Social Security number. Plus, what comes next? Brain microchips? Bar codes on our arms?
Reply:We already have a National ID card. It is called our State Driver's Licenses or our State ID Card required by The Bush Administration shortly after the attacks on September 11, 2001.
Reply:aahh..all this politics crap is driving me crazy..lol


but i see no point in the national ID cards.


we have SS already..so whats next...the stupid "microchicps" buuu...all these bastards want is to dominate and interfere witht he privacy of citizens.
Reply:A driver's license is not mandatory, only if you wish to drive.





A national ID is mandatory if you wish to exist.





Big difference.





I don't know why Ron Paul is claiming this opposition as his....most people oppose it, including most of the other candidates.





It's like saying "I oppose poking children's eyes out!"
Reply:I completely agree with Dr. Paul on this issue. I don't want a id card. I have a driver's license and a Social Security card and that is already one card too many in my opinion. The next step literally is the id chip under the skin. Which they won't get in me unless it's over my dead body.
Reply:I completely agree with him. In fact, the better question is who disagrees with him?
Reply:666 or 1010011010 or 0A29 is all I got to say about that.
Reply:I agree. It would not amke us any safer, in fact it would make us less safe for it is easy to counterfit anything, and instead of hassleing with the 50 different states ID programs, a terrorist could just make one standard national one!





The passport program is national and look at the mess they are in!





We already have ID's, why does the government want to waste more money? and require states, even ones who cannot afford it, to impliment such a unnneded program.





The whole thing about security is gotten way out of hand and is "excuses" for a few to try to control all of We the People.
Reply:national id card? another way for illegal immigrants to get in this country.
Reply:i agree with him we don't need another national id card we already have one its called a social security card
Reply:Yet another id card is irrelevant. The drivers license and Social Security card are already " national Id " cards. Add to that the national data base of DNA and a national id card is no big deal. And useless.
Reply:100% agree! This is the functional equivalent to Soviet internal passports, or the infamous Nazi papers.





It is an affront to everything that Liberty is about.
Reply:he is correct ! "Freedom"
Reply:I agree whole heartedly!!! Vote Ron Paul !!!!!
Reply:Say this in German accent:


Ver are your papers??
Reply:Agree
Reply:I'm afraid that Cong. Paul and I differ on several items. The National ID Card is one of those. I would prefer a state ID card but several of the states would not be able to pass it, ergo we need a national card to keep everybody honest. An honest person should have no fear of such a card. All Americans have Social Security Cards. Why can't that be a base for other forms of identification?
Reply:If the statements you've cited in your question are what he said, then I can tell you that I wholeheartedly DISAGREE WITH RON PAUL. National ID cards are there for the purpose of identifying who is, and who is not, an actual, legal, citizen of this country, and who is, and who is not, here illegally and for possibly illegal reasons. I have no fear of "government abuse" of an ID card, even though I know it can be used that way. Maybe it's because I have nothing to be afraid of and am not subject to paranoid delusions, and maybe because I've been around long enough to see a multitude of abuses, and a multitude of possible abuses that never happened. Abuse of one's citizenship or privacy or autonomy has and can and will occur any time any individual wants to do so. There are so many opportunities to do so now that it's almost incomprehensible, and if any of your previous respondents actual gave any serious thought to their answers, it WOULD literally scare them to death, but, it hasn't happened, so, if a national ID card can help differentiate legal citizens vs. illegal occupants of this country, why not! I like that added security. God Bless you.
Reply:Disagree. With no established method of tracking, how will you be able to curb illegal immigration?
Reply:Nobody has come up with a convincing argument about why we should NOT have an ID card. Most other industrialized nations do - I think the US and the UK are the only ones that don't. Why? I've had people ask me this and I can't come up with a good explanation.
Reply:Ron Paul is a nut case.





A national id card is superfluous. Who the hell ask him this question anyhow?
Reply:I have not had anyone who could tell me what the problem is with a national ID. We have driver's licenses, or ID cards now. What is the problem if they are national? I think the only impact would be that it would be easier to find and deport illegals.





Can someone tell me what the problem with them is?





with all 25 of the other answers, I found that many of you are paraniod, especially the 666 one that the Bible states that it would be ON YOUR PERSON. They are not INSTALLING these cards. The one who said it would create more illegal immigration doesn't make any sense at all.





I just do not see any real negative. If they wanted to spy more, they are capable with modern technology and without this card. I see only one benefit, and that is to curb illegal immigration. So, with no fault and a HUGE benefit...I am for it unless someone can come up with a VALID reason against them. I have to laugh at the technology guy who thinks that they need these cards to spy on people...they can do that now if they really wanted to.





Edit: the purpose of government HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH PRIVACY. It is to protect the God given right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Get a grip...if the government wants to know what color your crap is, they have the technology.

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