Why are so many people against ID cards?

surely if you are a law abiding citizen it can only be a good thing?

Why are so many people against ID cards?
Britain has a long and honourable tradition that people be permitted to travel without impediment throughout the kingdom.





For this reason, the Police have to have reasonable cause to stop and demand identity. In other words, an offence has to have been committed, or reasonably thought to be about to be committed.





This aspect of British Law enforcement is reinforced by the banning of "stop and search" under the old "Sus Laws", which were routinely abused by the Police, in the harassment of coloured people.





The unstated subtext of compulsory ID cards is that the above restrictions would be abolished. Police would be able to stop and search anybody, using the pretext of "checking identity"!





The use of ID cards is routinely abused in most European Countries, to control the movement of individuals. In Germany, for example, ID data is used to covertly monitor a range of personal habits, including political affiliations and even where one drinks!
Reply:There are plenty of evil-minded politicians who would, if they could, manipulate ID cards for their own ends. We need no more evidence that there are many corrupt, incompetent and evil politicians who exist. Do we need any more reasons for not wanting ID cards?
Reply:Big brother attitude, cost and a general mistrust of how the government would use the information.
Reply:With open boarders, Whats the point?
Reply:because its yet another way of continuously monitoring all of us. Plus the fact that the whole thing is going to cost about £20billion, which i think is far too much for any ID card especially considering most of us already have some sort of ID if the police or anyone else wanted proof of who we are.
Reply:25 million peoples bank details, names, addresses, National Insurance Numbers lost by an incompetent government clerk is a good reason.


Should we have cameras strapped to our heads with microphones?


No?


Why, got something to hide?





European ID cards just say name address and a photo. These proposed cards have a chip containing personal data available to dozens of agencies with no way of knowing just what it says. I have a passport, driving licence and credit cards. Why do I need this expensive intrusion?
Reply:I think it really depends on the info stored on it. Name, address, date and place of birth and a picture. shouldn't need anything else, just enough to prove you are who you say you are and you are allowed to be in the country your in. ............no wait that's you driving license!!!!!
Reply:No, even if you are law abiding the information that is stored and collected about you is just wrong. They may as well tattoo a bar code to your head.
Reply:Until the govt decides you no longer abide by their laws. No govt should be trusted.
Reply:During WW2 we all had to carry ID cards at all times. You could be detained by the Police for not carrying one. I think it is a good move to have ID cards, Because it sorts the Illegal Immigrants from the legal ones. You cannot get an ID card if you are here Illegally. What I don't like about the idea is that we will have to pay for them.
Reply:Would you want your information avasilable to everybody that hacks for profit or steals a cd from the government. I know I don`t ansd thats without taking privacy and civil freedom issues out of the equation.
Reply:What kind of ID card are we talking about:





Driver's License: yes


Green Card: yes


New ID as citizens of the US: no
Reply:I'm not.


I lived in the US years ago and found ID to be very useful.


I'm sure it can be abused but hey can't everything.
Reply:Not at all. I am not a servant of the state or of any government. This government is trying fundamentally to alter the relationship between government and governed, and to extend its powers more and more into every aspect of our lives. I object more than anything to the database which will be prey to all kinds of unintended consequences of unauthorised abuse. Government (and other bodies) have already shown that they cannot be trusted to keep personal data secure.
Reply:Can we put a CCTV in your house?





No? Well, if you've nothing to hide, then why not?
Reply:surely...but most see it as big brother taking over their lives....guilty conscience i say.
Reply:NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO








i repeat: NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!
Reply:I used to share your view, then I woke up. The whole idea is based on social control. Every "law abiding" citizen in this country has enough methods of identifying themselves. The important point here is that the majority do not carry their driving licence or passport etc. around with them in case of theft. Does the government intend for it also to be law that we carry them at all times? If the answer is no then why bother? I can just as quickly return to my home and produce any evidence of my identity required.


If the answer is yes, then I am being "controlled", dictated to, not to put too fine a point on it. .As for it being of any benefit in reducing the number of illegals who come here, I very much doubt it would make any difference. They have obviously "worked" their way into the system already in order to find jobs, housing, etc. Let's say a policeman stops an illegal and asks for his/her ID card. They don't have one, what will happen? They will not be deported, but simply join the thousands of others waiting for their "applications" to be processed. Step in Human Rights act and hey presto! ID card issued. It is reported in todays press that this government has given N.I. insurance numbers to thousands of illegal immigrants in yet another blunder by Minister for Work and Pensions Peter Hain. Need I go on? Trust politicians to do the job properly? If you are still in favour I can only ask that you think again...
Reply:http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?doci...





How many more times must we put this link on here to educate people? Please watch,it's the World Order coming into play.





This is what I mean about educating yourself when people give the thumbs down,OPEN YOUR EYES UP AND SEE WHAT'S HAPPENING!
Reply:Really not sure to be honest, I think it's a great idea.


People are probably just pissy about "wasting their tax money" or some other sun-fuelled crap.





We're not exactly losing any privacy.... they know what they need to know anyway... the hell does it matter if we all have cards to prove it?


News flash: You live in the country, you pay taxes (supposedly) ... you're already working for the state.


Other countries have it, and they're all for the better.


Don't like it ? Move to Ibiza. Rather my taxes spent on something productive than pumping livers or chasing hidden crooks.
Reply:Because it gets ridiculous how much information they need to know. We aren't allowed any privacy and if we are law abiding citizens then why do they need our ID cards?





Also did you know the government can check your bank account to see if your unlawfully making money. They check how much money you've got in your bank.





It just shows how the small percentage of the population who are criminals ruin the country for everyone.
Reply:This is the commonly spouted rubbish used by the government.


News Flash once the government have acquired all the information required for the ID card, you as a law abiding citizen will have no control over were that information will be sent/sold or used.


We live in a so call democracy were the population have the right to representation within the government. However in five, ten, twenty years time? Who knows we may live under the rule of a cruel invading army.


How will they use this information?


Sounds like an exaggeration, however think of this point. Most if not all the Jews in Germany before the war were law abiding citizens, they were required by law to confirm there religious beliefs and we all know what happened next.


In South Africa the ID book was used as a method of repression against the blacks. Failure to have one resulted in arrest.


If the government has its way the future is very bleak, new born children will be DNA sampled at birth, retinal scans will be compulsory, ID card will have been superseded with under the skin implants that not only confirm a persons ID but can also track the location.


Don't give into the government on this one, its the thin edge of the wedge.


Ja.
Reply:I was all in favour of ID cards, if you have nothing to hide, why fear them. They would solve alot of false benefit claims, credit card theft etc.,but the recent loss of sensitive personal material by government departments is a cause for concern because an ID card would contain everything.
Reply:We already have plenty of types of id that we pay for, this government want to charge us even more for another form of id, and then every few years we will have to renew it and the cost to us would have continued going up, just ANOTHER TAX is what it is really.
Reply:mark of the beast , not safe and can be copyed easily , will have all your info on it , it will cost billions and not make you safe one bit , also policeman randomly stopping me in the street to see my nazi papers "ID card" hmmm that sounds like freedom i could go on but the point is " ive got nothing to hide argument is wrong and not really the point !!
Reply:because red tape can catch you out- accidents happen and then your put in the same category as a drug dealer or rapest or paedophile- I mean, what if you drive and accidentally veer into a bus lane or worse, if someone else gets done for something and you get the blame- as happens in ID fraud, then how do you erase that?! and your damned for life, whatever you do, wherever you go people can find out that you have on yout id record that you committed a crime and you never did, it was someone else who stole your identity or an authority figure who wanted revenge and added to your record... and you dont have the option to hold this back at a job interview, its all submitted, weather you did or didnt do anything doesnt actually matter.





Even law abiding citizens are in trouble there!
Reply:No it's a case of Big Brother and the state pushing it's nose into everyones business.
Reply:The reason the government gives for introducing them is complete ........ it's just an excuse for them to know more about us, and to make it look as if they are doing something about terrorism, when they actually don't have a clue.





A piece of plastic is not going to stop a bomb blowing you up.





Terrorists will easily find a way of faking them, and the whole thing will cost billions in wasted money and bureacratic mismanagement.





On recent performance, I wouldn't trust this government with anything.
Reply:I know people are gonna disagree but apparantly we 500,000 illegals it would show who was who.but apart from that i can see no other reason really.
Reply:I see absolutely no problem with ID cards and cannot understand what realistic objections people have against them. The main objection seems to be a sort of 'big brother' threat, but if you are using the card to prove your identity and you are doing nothing illegal, what is the problem? Properly issued and used they will help to cut down on underage sales of alcohol, tobacco, knives etc, reduce benefit fraud, reduce credit card fraud, help the police to identify the real names of petty criminals and vandals and make lots of issues where you are aked for proof of identity much simpler. Many, many countries have them, why are we waiting so long to introduce them here?





Every time we use a store loyalty card, go on the internet or answer a survey, somebody somewhere knows what we are doing and might use that information. With an ID card, do the conspiracy theorists think that Cheltenham is going to be following everyones microchip around?





I can just feel the onset of thumbs down from little Englanders. Daily Mail Readers and misguided rebels.
Reply:For me its weird that the UK hasnt got any id cards yet.


The rest of Europe has them, and its a must to take them wherever you go.


Its also much easier to keep track on people in that way, and more system is added to the way our social and taxes services works.





But hey...as to everything new, people tends to have more distance, once they are used to it, it makes no difference.