You've got summat to hide, son; What is it about supporters of ID cards, and their perpetually used cliche?

People who are against ID cards - do we have 'anything to hide', or are we just vexed at the loss of our privacy? And if so, is that something far different than having 'summat to hide'?

You've got summat to hide, son; What is it about supporters of ID cards, and their perpetually used cliche?
ID cards are the next best thing to having a personal tracker fitted.





It's not the fact of what is on the card that matters - it is in what situations you will be required to produce it.





Give this system a few years to be accepted and the card will need to be produced everywhere you go. That way you can be tracked and logged. And with the tax payers money that the powers that be squander every year spending a few billion more on a central intelligence network to collect and collate the information will not be a problem.





this system was introduced in an office block in Europe a few years ago for "security purposes". Each individual had a card and to open any door within the building the card had to be used. Within weeks staff were being dismissed and warned over length of time in toilets, time taken between two points, etc. Total surveillance,control and lack of privacy became the norm.





"Nothing to hide - Nothing to fear" Words that will go down in history and infamy as the catch phrase of New Labour!!!!!!!
Reply:If the government controlled the criminals coming into this country you wouldn't need id cards,





and 2bee its not lady like to discus your ablutions on here
Reply:The problem is not if, or who, has anything they wish to hide, in this fairly benign system of government but once the plan is up and running, it will be in place, ready for misuse by any government, of any type, in the future. So that when your 'Mr I've-got-nothing-to-hide' reaches seventy, he might find himself cut down by a government that favours euthanasia as a form of tax cutting.
Reply:After several fiascos with lost data discs I'm not telling them anything I don't want them to know - easy as that ! -
Reply:The "nothing to hide, nothing to fear" argument does not stand up to close scrutiny, and is just an easy sound bite for supporters of ID cards when attempting to defend the indefensible. Honest, upstanding citizens must never be treated like criminals. Besides, it has now become obvious that, whether we have nothing to hide or not, the government cannot be trusted with our personal details.
Reply:think of them as parrots, and think of nothing to hide as poly wants a cracker!! and who's a pretty boy then....and you've just about summed it all up. i wish i could figure out how to sling a cover on their cage.
Reply:Personally, I have loads to hide... heheh.








the best answer against the sheep who bleat this line is to say to them...





"So in that case you would willingly accept 24/7 live internet broadcast of your every move at home and at work?"





Nothing To Hide = Nothing to Fear after all.
Reply:Sounds like the normal tactics of a control freak government ! Can they be trusted with the information ?





It doesn't look like it.
Reply:“If you’ve got nothing to hide........” is the weakest element in the pro ID card argument In fact it’s no argument at all It’s emotive rather than logical. Just an idle attempt to stifle objections and gloss over the need for proper justification and the democratic endorsement of the people for it.Not very far away from Kafka’ s “Do you feel guilty? You must have done something because you are here." The ID card argument is about far more than “just” the privacy of the private citizen although that is still surely worth preserving. Privacy amongst other things is about not having to register your personal details with every Tom Dick or Harry for administrative convenience or “just in case”.None of us can live in the UK 2008 without leaving an information trail.That in itself is not the problem because until now in the the majority of cases that information is transactional . I hand it over in return for some specific purpose and usually in return for some benefit I could not otherwise access without providing it.OK you have no choice if you come to the attention of the criminal justice system but that is still in a sense ‘transactional’. Blanket inclusion of the whole of the population on centralised database(s) is a wholly different matter.It dramatically alters the relationship between the individual and the State. The Government has yet to make its case on this and “if you have nothing to hide...” is no more justification than “just in case....”
Reply:The more I read of immigration in the UK the more I consider the global ID as a good idea. As you know, we in the states have an incredible immigration debacle. For instance, I've an ID and I'm a citizen...yet there are millions of Mexicans here w/ false ID's. I've nothing to hide, but the illegals do...just the fact that they're illegals. Good people? Yes. Illegal immigrants? Yes. All peoples migrate, it's our nature to go where life may be better. Seems to me a system to track all persons (global ID) would be justified for more reasons than I can explain here.
Reply:It is less to do with 'having something to hide' and more to do with asolute outrage that the government thinks it is acceptable to hold so much information about its subjects. Especially considering the fiascos we've seen recently with information going missing.
Reply:That old chestnut gets used all the time, its not a case of hiding anything, its the fact that our government cant even be trusted to keep simple data about us, can they really be surprised that people are against this!
Reply:The government have pushd the ID card legislation through on the back of the London bombings apparently to counter terrorism. This raises questions in itself. However generally speaking it is a 'big brother' policy that lacks substance. Its slowly being 'eased' in over the next few years. Its not a case of having something to hide. More of a case of having nothing to hide. Why should I have all my details available to whoever want to look at them? Those amongst us who are up to no good will undoubtedly find a way around them anyway. Live off the grid I say! lmao
Reply:Get real, I don't have a damn thing to hide, I just don't want the gov't to know when I take a crap or walk down the street. It's no ones business but my own.
Reply:If it goes ahead it will cost Billions to set up ( I thought they were skint ). But think about it, they will insist it is renewed every 5 years or so, bringing in a lot of money.


It`s another stealth tax.