Brisitish id cards?

they seem a huge step towards social control, costing this country money that we can ill afford, whilst looseing our independance.. what are your thoughts?


see my blogg page for lates posting re the above.


http://www.epic.org/privacy/id_cards/...


http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,128...


http://www.govtech.net/magazine/channel_...

Brisitish id cards?
Police states such as South Africa during the time of Apartheid implemented ID cards, Hitler was also said to be an admirer, with such a long list of worthy endorsers, who can refuse (and not end up tied to a restraining chair for 3 days without food or water and being beaten by three groups of local bobbies working shifts?)
Reply:To Monkey_FingerUK I would say the communists in many U.S. state houses have tried to get everyone to carry a state-issued voter card. So far there is a small matter of the U.S. Constitution which holds up implementation of many of these state laws. But seeing as how the current administration is playing fast %26amp; loose with the Constitution, anyway, I don't think it will be too long before these state-issued I.D. cards will become law.
Reply:If they stop people sponging off us, lets have them.
Reply:I.D. cards is the British equivalent of Homeland Security in the US. People think 7/7 was carried out by al Qaeda... when in fact it was carried out by the Israeli Mossad in conduction with MI6, the July 7 bombing was designed to remind people of the ''threat level'' imposed on Britain from ''al Qaeda'' the bombing was also designed the revive support for the war in Iraq and to revive support for Tony Blair, I.D. cards is one way for the government to reach out and control people and their freedoms, July 7 is being used as a reason for this.
Reply:I think it stinks, along with wanting to track our vehicles supposedly to charge us for the amount of miles we do, i think it is mainly so they can keep tabs on our movement, speed etc


The new Driving license seems like a simple back door ID card to me,
Reply:They are a Product of the Communist ideals that come with having your country sold out by Power hungry Numb nuts politicians who have held Marxist views their whole lives, but hid them from the public so they could have a chance to get into power !!
Reply:I've still got mine. It wasn't so bad.
Reply:Bombay stores has lots
Reply:Um none of the links work but yes, they are designed as a form of control of the population. I mean TOTAL control.





The microchip is planned next. Seriously.
Reply:thats the problem! everything is costing us and they are causing the problems that we are now experiancing. independance? we lost that a long time ago but what do we do about it? we sit back and take it all in! if we all stood up to it then they would have to rethink but its havin the guts to do it and a team behind you! lets face it, we are living big brother more and more each day!! but thats just my opinion:-)
Reply:ID cards are estimated to cost approx £20bn to set up. It's basically a gov't IT system, and they never work out late. The costs go up and up and up and they never achieve what they are supposed to.





Also, you have to look at the problems they are supposed to solve:


* Terrorism - the 7/7 bombers were British and would have had ID cards. The ID cards are going to be optional. No terrorist would be stopped due to a need for an ID card.


* Benefit fraud - any savings in benefit fraud would be tiny compared to the cost of the system. And more likely to cause problems - every new system related to benefits tends to lead to confusion and wrong payments going to people. And it will not actually achieve very much.


* Illegal immigration - How would an ID card stop this? They can still work illegally. If they need a card, they can get a forged one.





And of course, these cards are going to be voluntary!! So, what possible good could they do.





Then you need to look at the damage they could do:


* Cost. As well as the cost to set up (est at £20bn as mentioned above) each person will need one. Whatever the cost the gov't is currently stating, double it.


* Security. If all your information is on it and stored on a central database, then how trustworthy do you think the security will be? Considering the government's record on such things, I'd be worried.
Reply:if people let it go through it will be the start of the end.





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