ID cards, for or against?

We all cary ID of some form most of the time. Is it just me who thinks that everyone who is against ID cards has something to hide?

ID cards, for or against?
What a ridiculous and offensive statement. You are branding a whole section of the population as criminals. It is ignorant and it is scapegoating. Sorry, but there is no need for them since as you said we all carry some form of i.d. anyway. So why waste billions that could be better spent on something we need?


How will they keep you safe? How exactly are they going to work? Describe the process to me.





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1) This govt has a really appalling track record on large scale I.T. projects. They run over budget and they don't work. See the Housing Benefits farce, the Inland Revenue scandal, the NHS malarkey as examples; or worse the ill fated DNA database. Remember that? It was supposed to be 'impossible' for two people to share the same DNA? Turns out they do, because that's how statistical probability works,and when Scotland Yard found 'duplicate entries' they just deleted one of them!


2) Your credit card company presumably has a vested interest in keeping your details secure, yet several of the main databases have been hacked. People are sent bills for credit cards they don't have because of identity fraud.


3) If you are bopped over the head and your card nicked, how does that stop a serious criminal from committing a crime? People have drivers licences and passports and birth certificates yet still commit crimes. How does this wonderful safety net Actually Work to keep you safer?


4) Safer than what, and safe from who?


5) Do you really think i.d cards would have prevented the recent attacks in London? Or Timothy McVeigh? He was a U.S. citizen. Specifically, describe how I.D. cards will make a positive contribution to all of our safety?


6) If this govt can be trusted, how do you know all future govts will be equally as trustworthy? How do you know that we won't end up living in a fascist dictatorship?


7) Why is the info about you being made available for purchase by business to help fund the scheme? How is that even remotely ethical? The info will be used for 'targeted' advertising in an already consumerist society.





You are being conned under the guise of 'good citizenship'. There is more to good citizenship than just being compliant; and in return for good citizenship you are entitled to expect a fair and just system. Not a bunch of rapacious marketing men knowing more about you than you do.


The Nazis loved the ID card system and all good Nazi citizens went along with it for the good of their nation.


Don't just weasel your way out, explain how these miracle cures are going to solve all known crime?





Are you serious? You know many actual Wanted Criminals who have Something To Hide? Why don't you report them to the police if they are hiding something?
Reply:Im with her, she's right. And you've pissed a few people off, mate. Report Abuse

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Reply:im all for !!! but im sure sum smarty will find a way of making them!!!! unless we have some scanning device police carry around to read the chip/here here .......!!!!!
Reply:I think a lot of people object to it because of the cost! I can't remember exactly but i think it was something like £70 or £80.


In France ID cards are compulsory, always were and do not only show your photograph and address but also your fingerprint.





I agree with you, ID cards should not be a problem to anyone, as the best way to protect us against fraud for instance! I mean how many peole pay with debit cards? Just a swipe and that's that. Were they asked to produce their ID cards as well it would certainly go down a long way towards making credit cards theft a thing of the past! I know some people will object that you can always pay by phone but ID cards, if properly established, could carry a reference number known only to the individual.
Reply:Yep, For ID cards... I mean, what is so hard about it... They must be hiding something if they are against it... I mean hell, I'd want my ID on me if I was in an accident. And I don't want someone else trying to use my name cause they forgot there credit card at home.... Come on get and ID
Reply:for - helps prevent fraud and makes sure age restricted items arent sold to teenagers
Reply:Maybe so, I too believe that some kind of ID card should be carried, or maybe hospitals can start installing micro chips into us when we are born. What do you think of that.
Reply:nothing to hide here....better than having a micro chip embedded in the head...lol
Reply:Our rights have been taken away from us, we no longer have a say, and if we vote upon the basis of promises made.


If the government can give out National Insurance Numbers to None Nationals, People who are in my country illegally, there is no hope for people who have lived here for hundreds, thousands of years, we might as well leave.


Our National Insurance Number was our last method of Identification within The United Kingdom and it has now been given out to all who want it among the illegal immigrants, which run into 1million plus.


This was our I.D. for work etc, but now we do need another method of knowing just how many people are here illegally and taking up our jobs and sending there earnings home abroad. showing that we are exporting our jobs and earnings abroad.as is highlighted to us by the media.
Reply:Definately against more government snooping,nannying and interference in private lives.
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Reply:Im for the things, the more ID the better. I hate carrying loads of documents on me when you need to apply for things. This card will be the next best thing to Visa.
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Reply:Nope - I am with you - nothing to hide - I think it would help reduce id fraud and illegal immigrants.
Reply:Bad guys can check the IDs of undercover jouranlists and political activists and shoot them or behave infront of them...





They are great to see who is against nasty dictators or against the government so they can arrange accidents or see if you are against certain things....
Reply:I looked at biometric verification as part of my BSc dissertation. The problem with using, say fingerprints, as an identification method is centralising them. That is, having a huge central database with all a country's fingerprints.





The amount of points on a print needed to distinguish a fingerprint from one citizen to another is enormous, and this information has to be stored. Even with reduction algorithms, storing each fingerprint ID is several megabytes' large. Okay, so they can be stored in a modern mainframe but indexing them for verification will still take some time. If you are requesting such nformation from a remote source, say an atm or airport terminal, then there is a risk of a time-out and the verification will be denied.





The way around this is to store the print data on the ID card so that the individual can be validated by their fingerprint in relation to the card at the point of interrogation, but this can be forged if done remotely.





Valid security is by various forms of ID and in the UK we already have that - asked to provide driving licences, birth certificates, passports, bills, et cetera. The ID card is a waste of money and probably more of a security risk.
Reply:I have nothing to hide but I don't see why I should have to carry a card proving it!


It's not difficult for the police to identify someone - anyone with a new style driving licence already has their mug shot registered with the DVLA, same with a passport. If you were born here there is a paper trail a mile long!


I know it's a bit of an extreme example, but if you've got nothing to hide why shouldn't we all be made to wear electronic tags? Stop crime dead that would.


Sarah C - I envy you your eloquence! Well said!
Reply:I think some have something to hide, others are overly paranoid or scared of change.....


I think it is a good idea to have a National ID card. Would solve a lot of problems I think and sort out some of these illegal immigrants in the country.
Reply:Everyone has something to hide!





The wonderfullest thing about ID cards is not only will they not do what they have been touted as doing, they will mean that every time you go to hospital or visit your doctor or try to go to a nightclub someone will have appointed themself to check that you're 'entitled' by demanding to see your ID card. And since the card by itself won't prove anything they'll have to check on 'the computer'.


Before we know it we'll have every jumped up little jobsworth in the country knowing everything there is to know about our personal lives, our finances, our blood group, where we went to school, who we voted for at the last election etc etc. And if the information on 'the computer' is wrong who would believe that? It will be up to you to prove it wrong which could turn out to be rather tricky.





To err is human, to really mess things up takes a computer.


With the history of Government IT projects in this country you can be certain that it will not have been properly thought out, it will be over budget and it will not work.
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Reply:Against. I dont like the state telling me what I must and must not have.
Reply:im all for i.d cards because then we know whats what in each individual and where they are really from.
Reply:Wish they would be compulsory for everyone. I've nothing to hide and anyone who objects has yet to convince me that they have nothing to hide.


I've been to many European countries and it's a way of life so why the big problem here. Let's all have them.